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RCMP Arrest Picketers

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RCMP Arrest Picketers

Postby NC » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:02 pm

Look at the video and read the copy.

http://www.tcrcmwed.ca/ENG/NEWS/shocking_video.htm

The teamsters say this:

"However, there is one officer who forcibly wrenches a member's arm way up at an unnatural angle and then viciously kicks him to the ground. It is horrible to watch."

You are breaking the * law... If the roles were reversed and the RCMP office were a Teamster thug and the picketer were a line crosser his arm would be broken and his teeth would be knocked out and the Teamsters would NOT have a video of it on their site.

I would guess the Teamsters couldn't get the little "record" button pushed in time to catch the RCMP telling them that is they do not refrain from their illegal activity they will be arrested.

You do the crime, you do the time.

* edited by JohnDoe - Hah! JohnDoe strikes again, and you thought I was gone! But, you were breaking the * board rules! No trying to get around my potty-mouth autonanny! *


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Postby green1 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:49 am

Some clarification, it was not the RCMP, but the CP-Police.

Normally the CP police are a little frightening, but in this particular case they were very lenient, and quite "by the book", they allowed people who were obviously obstructing traffic quite a bit of time to stop (you are allowed to walk across the road, you are not allowed to stand in the middle of it) also most of the picketers never made it near a sidewalk, they wanted to make sure nobody could drive through, that is illegal.
once they started arresting people they obviously used the minimum possible amount of force to gain compliance, the 2 people I saw them use any force at all on were obviously resisting arrest, one was trying to flee, and the other would not allow the officer to apply handcuffs. The procedures used by the police were well within their usual rights and could not in any way be seen as excessive force.
If anything, that video protects the police from allegations the union could use against them in court.

I love the bit where the picketer says it's not the first time the police have had to use force on him... good to know the union is full of law abiding citizens...



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Postby Cat Lady » Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:35 pm

There is an injuction that limits the stopping of vehicles to 5 minutes.

Did the CP police jump the gun (pun intended) by arresting people on public property?



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Postby green1 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:32 pm

video is 5 mins long, and starts part way through whatever is happening... the police do absolutely nothing for the first 1min and 15 seconds, I suspect they were waiting for the 5 mins... (how long was traffic blocked before the camera turned on?)

One interesting dynamic to this strike though is that this is a company with it's own police force (not just security guards, these are real police officers)
I bet they're being REALLY careful to do everything by the book... can you imagine how that would play out in court if they didn't?? (of course I'm sure the union is salivating at that opportunity!)



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Postby Cat Lady » Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:47 pm

here is the Wikipedia on CP Police. They are ranked a Peace Officers with special powers including the ability to arrest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_P ... ce_Service

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_officer



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Postby green1 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:59 pm

being that police are peace officers... what you said is simply agreeing with what I said... (now THAT is a rare day!)
Peace officer is a North American term for any public sector person charged with upholding the peace. It refers primarily to police officers,
exactly what I said, they are full Police officers, their jurisdiction is CPR related offences. (not every peace officer is a police officer, but every police officer is a peace officer)



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Postby Cat Lady » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:36 pm

I don't come here just for the sake of arguement :)

Well maybe sometimes...



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Postby JohnDoe » Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:36 am

Any person can be arrested for numerous offenses, including summary offenses which take place or in relation to a property for which you are an authorized agent. I used to do this a lot as a Loss Prevention Officer. For example, and this is really stretching it, a person commits an act of lewdness across the street from your store. Since it is likely that it is disturbing your customers, you could technically arrest the individual for that summary offence (Indecent Act (CCC S. 173(1)) and turn the individual over to a Police officer forthwith [sic]. The Police member would then issue the individual a ticket for the summary offence and release them.

Since the offence that is being commited in the video is in relation to the property for which the CP Rail Police are authorized agents of, they have no problems with jurisdiction. The guy right in front of the camera was arrested for Mischief (CCC S. 430(1)(c)). Mischief is defined in the Criminal Code of Canada (CCC S. 430(1)):
Mischief

430. (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully

(a) destroys or damages property;

(b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;

(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or

(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.
At this point it is up to the officer as to whether or not he will receive Summary or Indictable conviction. As defined in CCC S. 430(4):
430. (4) Every one who commits mischief in relation to property, other than property described in subsection (3),

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Lastly, as for the assault bit, that's straight up BS.
25. (1) Every one who is required or authorized by law to do anything in the administration or enforcement of the law

(a) as a private person,

(b) as a peace officer or public officer,

(c) in aid of a peace officer or public officer, or

(d) by virtue of his office,

is, if he acts on reasonable grounds, justified in doing what he is required or authorized to do and in using as much force as is necessary for that purpose.
Hope that answered a few questions. Done a lot of training through Edmonton Police Service's Cooperative Policing and through my previous job as a LPO.


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Postby green1 » Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:22 am

as much force as is neccessary... that's the key here, and you could see it in action, the picketers who obeyed the police were politely escorted away, the one who tried to flee was grabbed by 2 officers and forced to walk with them, the one who refused to allow himself to be cuffed, and grabbed at the officer was forced to his knees (with the minimum amount of force needed)
actually it was an exemplary display from CP Police, I commend them.

(as for the jurisdiction thing, I was never disputing their jurisdiction over the issue, I thought it quite clear they did have jurisdiction, I was more explaining to people what the CP Police are, as they are relatively unique in Canada being a corporate police force, generally only the government has police, but CP is sort of grandfathered in as they've been around for a LOOONG time)



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Postby JohnDoe » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:50 pm

The jurisdiction thing was a response to Cat Lady's post (quoted below).
There is an injuction that limits the stopping of vehicles to 5 minutes.

Did the CP police jump the gun (pun intended) by arresting people on public property?


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Postby NC » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:12 am

It's alive!!!.... It speaks...

Lok like all those long nights of study have started to pay off JD! :lol:


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Postby JohnDoe » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:58 am

Or boredom, whichever, they both work. Spent more than a few hours of boredom reading through the 2007 Edition Pocket Criminal Code. Ah well.


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